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| Tu-154B-2 | Дата: Понедельник, 18.07.2011, 05:33 | Сообщение # 26 |
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| "You are. The flying public and the tax payers. Isn't that how airport improvements are paid for?"
But I am not and you're not either because the PANYNJ in a move marked by fiscal sanity has only made JFK 380 ready.
Every now and then government agencies get it right when it comes to spending restraint.
One airport in NYC that is 380 ready is enough at this point (And for the foreseeable future) because there are only a handful of flights a day: AF, LH, EK.
Если мальчик любит труд- значит звать его "Джамшут"
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| teofels | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:05 | Сообщение # 27 |
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| Fifty A380s flying. I wonder whether we will hear more about the A380-900 now that they seem to have a handle on the production side of things.
Code Airbus A380 At 50
Posted by Robert Wall
Airbus today has delivered the 50th A380.
The milestone aircraft went to Singapore Airlines, which was also the airline to receive the first A380 back in October 2007.
It is the 12th aircraft delivered to Singapore, with seven more to come. Several of those should follow quickly, as they are awaiting delivery at Airbus. Deliveries of A380s to SIA had been delayed because of problems with Koito seats; the aircraft just handed over was initially due for delivery last year.
The reason for the delay is that the Japanese seat maker had its production organization approval suspended for two years because it falsified seat test data. That meant Airbus could not hand over aircraft for several months until regulators determined what to do. A path to address the issues is now in place, clearing the way for the aircraft to finally go to the airline.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...medium=twitter
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| cassini-m | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:06 | Сообщение # 28 |
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| Apparently many analysts say that the A380 is still slow when it comes to production output, and this is one of the reasons why EK is not placing orders for a few more (this and that DXB proving to be small). The popular opinion seems to be that Airbus does require a second assembly section for the whalejet.
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| teofels | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:06 | Сообщение # 29 |
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| Quote (teofels) Fifty A380s flying. I wonder whether we will hear more about the A380-900 now that they seem to have a handle on the production side of things. Code Airbus A380 At 50 Posted by Robert Wall Airbus today has delivered the 50th A380. The milestone aircraft went to Singapore Airlines, which was also the airline to receive the first A380 back in October 2007. It is the 12th aircraft delivered to Singapore, with seven more to come. Several of those should follow quickly, as they are awaiting delivery at Airbus. Deliveries of A380s to SIA had been delayed because of problems with Koito seats; the aircraft just handed over was initially due for delivery last year. The reason for the delay is that the Japanese seat maker had its production organization approval suspended for two years because it falsified seat test data. That meant Airbus could not hand over aircraft for several months until regulators determined what to do. A path to address the issues is now in place, clearing the way for the aircraft to finally go to the airline. http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...medium=twitter
Emirates Airline already have 90 orders, it boggles the mind what they are going to use them for, never mind adding more.
I genuinely think the A380 needs a North American order; either United Air Lines or Delta Air Lines. Both are very unlikely.
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| bar_rodoy | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:07 | Сообщение # 30 |
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| It hardly seems like the A380 has been flying for almost four years. Our school playing fields are below one of the approach paths to LHR and the boys always look up when one flies over.
Quite a magnificent machine.
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| cassini-m | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:07 | Сообщение # 31 |
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| I don't think the 380 fits in the business models followed by US carriers, which is frequency based and not size based. But a lot of aircraft will be required by US carriers to replace ageing fleets of 757s, 767s and a whole lot of MDs. It will be interesting to see what Boeing pitches against the A320NEO family.
Emirates will face an increasing amount of resistance from countries, as the recent problems with Germany have shown. Even India has not allowed EK to operate the 380 into DEL. My EK source tells me EK wants to fly the 380 to five points in India as soon as possible including Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai.
The only A380 that may get permission for operations into Delhi seems to be LH, and that depends on how soon AI joins Star Alliance.
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| teofels | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:08 | Сообщение # 32 |
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| Quote (cassini-m) I don't think the 380 fits in the business models followed by US carriers, which is frequency based and not size based. But a lot of aircraft will be required by US carriers to replace ageing fleets of 757s, 767s and a whole lot of MDs. It will be interesting to see what Boeing pitches against the A320NEO family.
Emirates will face an increasing amount of resistance from countries, as the recent problems with Germany have shown. Even India has not allowed EK to operate the 380 into DEL. My EK source tells me EK wants to fly the 380 to five points in India as soon as possible including Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai.
The only A380 that may get permission for operations into Delhi seems to be LH, and that depends on how soon AI joins Star Alliance.
You could say that the 747-400 is too much aircraft for the frequency-driven US market, but they seem to have their place. The main stumbling block for the A380 I think is that there are only certain routes that US airlines could use the capacity, but that only means a small fleet which may now be economical.
Europe has an interesting problem with the A380 and Emirates Airline. On one had they need to sell the A380, on the other hand they don't want Emirates poaching traffic from their own airlines.
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| cassini-m | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:08 | Сообщение # 33 |
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| The tiff between EK and Germany goes very deep ThreeSpool, I wish I could divulge the whole saga here, but unfortunately I cant.
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| Admin | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:09 | Сообщение # 34 |
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| Does anyone know what the break-even figure is for the A380? Wiki says 234 have been ordered so far.
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| Robert | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:09 | Сообщение # 35 |
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| Depends on who you talk to.
Most "experts" on aviation forums say it's 150.
Figures of 250 and 400 have been bandied around by various articles over the years, with a couple claiming it will never make money.
I think, it's the 250 to 300 mark.
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| Гость | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:10 | Сообщение # 36 |
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| After delivering the 50th yesterday, AIRBUS handed the 51st over to AIR FRANCE today.
Paul
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| John | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:11 | Сообщение # 37 |
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| Good to see A380 deliveries in full swing now (: which airline will recieve an A380 after Malaysian Airlines ?
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| chairma | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:11 | Сообщение # 38 |
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| Quote (Гость) After delivering the 50th yesterday, AIRBUS handed the 51st over to AIR FRANCE today.
Paul
AIRBUS delivered the 52 today.
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| cassini-m | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:12 | Сообщение # 39 |
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| Wow, only 10 more years and they'll have delivered the current backlog.
Such a slow beast!
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| teofels | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:12 | Сообщение # 40 |
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| Ooooh! You're clutching at straws a bit now
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| capitan_cg | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:13 | Сообщение # 41 |
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| Kabir - if you cannot divulge a saga, it sounds a bit more than a tiff!
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| Гость | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:13 | Сообщение # 42 |
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| on Flight tracker 24 they A380 is easy to spot from its symbol, seems quite a few track over UK airspace,
also on the flight tracker i was amazed to how the KLM or FedeX DC10/MD11s are easy reconisable by the symbol shape
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| Tu-154B-2 | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:14 | Сообщение # 43 |
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| What? *innocent*
Если мальчик любит труд- значит звать его "Джамшут"
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| teofels | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:17 | Сообщение # 44 |
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| Quote (Tu-154B-2) What? *innocent*
At least they will still be building A380s long after they have shut the 747 line.
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| Tu-154B-2 | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:18 | Сообщение # 45 |
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| mmm, not so sure about that.
Если мальчик любит труд- значит звать его "Джамшут"
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| B-737ng | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:18 | Сообщение # 46 |
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| Quote (Tu-154B-2) mmm, not so sure about that.
They may well do but not just yet - wait for the Plastic Pig to go 'live' (Aug/Sep 2011) and the announcements from Boeing in Q1 on a competitor to A320NEO.
Boeing may have some 'rabbits' to pull out of the bag based on all composites and may very well be looking at whose buying what in their own country (absolutely the only way to travel in that huge continent) before worrying too much about long haul/large numbers which may see a move towards Hypersonics (liquid Hydrogen) long term.
In the meantime the much larger version of the VW Golf in the motor world equivalent the newer Boeing 747s will keep going, why not?
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| B-737ng | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:19 | Сообщение # 47 |
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| A few figures
................B747.........A380
Current Yr..2011..........2011
Start Yr.....1970..........2007
No. of Yrs...41.............4
Aircraft......1500..........52
Av. Per Yr...36.59 ........13.00
I guess a lot of catching up to do - dare I say on whose part
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| bar_rodoy | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:19 | Сообщение # 48 |
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| Quote (B-737ng) A few figures
................B747.........A380
Current Yr..2011..........2011
Start Yr.....1970..........2007
No. of Yrs...41.............4
Aircraft......1500..........52
Av. Per Yr...36.59 ........13.00
I guess a lot of catching up to do - dare I say on whose part
@Sky High - you are right, much more than a tiff. Just need to find time and publish it all soon.
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| b-747 | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:20 | Сообщение # 49 |
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| On the 747 program, it took Boeing roughly 5 years from program launch to deliver 96 airplanes, they delivered 92 in the second year of deliveries. In the first 11 years of the program, Boeing delivered about 300 airplanes.
By comparison, the A380 is 11 years into the program and almost 3 into deliveries and Airbus has delivered 52 airplanes.
Airbus have about 70 less ORDERS 11 years after program launch than Boeing had DELIVERIES in the roughly same time period.
And, contrary to hopeful speculation, no major additional orders for the A380 appear to be on the horizon.
Finally, in an odd twist of events, at least one Airbus Industrial partner, Germany, is limiting A380 access to their market from the major A380 customer in the Middle East. Thus, Europe is denying access to the A380 to the largest A380 purchaser.
Things hardly seem rosy.
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| teofels | Дата: Вторник, 09.08.2011, 12:20 | Сообщение # 50 |
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| Oh please, what a mish mash of arguments there Ship 741.
Modern day aircraft are far more complex than the first B747s coming off the line. Aircraft take longer these days, and there is a reason for that. Even the B787 has taken it's time getting into commercial service. You will see the same with the A350, and the B797. In fact, I think the last aircraft delivered on time was the B777, or was it the A330?
As for Germany and the A380, well it has nothing to do with the technical aspects of the aircraft but Germany protecting its own interest by not letting Emirates take over. Hardly the fault of the A380, wouldn't you say?
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